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Wendal Ebach

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Changing The System


What was thought to be a change to the Chase for the Sprint Cup championship format now looks like it will be a full blown revision to the entire NASCAR points system.

Speculation is that NASCAR will announce a complete overhaul of the points system next week during the annual pre-season media tour in Charlotte.
 
First introduced in 1975 and credited to long-time NASCAR statistician Bob Latford, Major League stock car racing has awarded points based on consistency. A proposed new system, which will reportedly simplify the distribution of points in a 43-1 equation with race winners receiving 43 and last place picking up a single point, will continue that trend however with smaller numbers.
 
Apparently NASCAR believes the simpler points structure will make it easier for fans to follow along. The current system is a bit more complex in terms of numerical values and when bonus points for leading a lap or the most laps in a race are thrown into the mix a bit tricky to figure out.
 
The added value for leading is expected to stay in place but given the new denominations will most likely be much smaller.
 
But in recent years NASCAR has talked about putting a bigger emphasis on winning races. In fact, the Chase seeding process was shifted to award bonus points for regular season wins in an attempt to put much more incentive on getting to victory lane.
 
The proposed new plan doesnt help put winning as front and center as some fans would like to see.
 
Also not known is just how the new format will impact the Chase. One concept will reportedly give drivers who finish in the first 10 spots of the point standings after the regular season ends in Richmond a berth in the playoff run. Two additional spots would then go to those with the most wins who are not already eligible for the Chase.
 
If such a plan were in place this past year, the accomplishments of Jamie McMurray who had three victories but finished well outside the Chase cut-off line would have been recognized.

However, that idea could have a negative ramification and give a playoff position to a driver and team who dont run the entire schedule.
 
How would NASCAR handle a scenario in which a part-time team such as the Wood Brothers wins two races with young driver Trevor Bayne in 2011 but only makes eighteen starts? If Baynes pair of victories is the best of those not finishing in the first 10 of the point standings after race No. 26, should he punch his ticket to the Chase?
 
Like any new concept, bugs and details will most certainly need to be examined and worked out. But with a monumental change like the one being proposed to replace a points system that has been in place for more than 35 years, every bit of minutia has to be worked through before unleashing it to the world.
 
It will be interesting to see if NASCAR Nation will embrace yet another change to a sport that has continued to deliver them on a regular basis for the last several years. Even if the new system turns out to be far better than the one it replaced, there will be many who reject the idea simply because they are sick of all the recent changes.
 
When NASCAR CEO Brian France rolls out the new format next week in Charlotte, it will be remembered as a very pivotal moment in the sports history. Lets hope its also remembered as a positive one.



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Lou Demian - President

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Saw that yesterday, I don't know if simplifying the points is going to change much. Jayski posted the 2010 final standings using the new simplified points system and only a couple of drivers within the chase changed spots, and nobody within the top 7. Meh.... no big deal there. What they need to do is add a lot more bonus points towards winning.

I do like the proposed format of the top 10 drivers making the Chase and the final 2 spots being taken by the drivers with the most wins not already elligible.

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Wendal Ebach

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From SI:

So how would such a points race change the game? To find out, I redid the outcome of the 2010 Chase using this possible system. Along with the bonus points outlined above, I adjusted Clint Bowyer's crippling penalty from 150 to 40 (its equivalent under the system) and gave drivers a 1-point bonus for each race win in the regular season compared to the 10 they get now. With that in mind, here's what your final 2010 championship results would look like:

Jimmie Johnson: 388
Kevin Harvick: 387
Denny Hamlin: 386
Carl Edwards: 340
Matt Kenseth: 314
Greg Biffle: 293
Tony Stewart: 287
Jeff Gordon: (+1) 279
Clint Bowyer: (+1) 272
Kyle Busch: (-2) 267
Kurt Busch: 265
Jeff Burton: 232

Wow! You're sitting there thinking. That would have been the closest Chase in history! Yeah ... in theory, Johnson would have won number five but squeaked by, taking it by just a point (or one position) over Hamlin and two over regular season points champion Harvick. Behind them, the field looks exactly the same compared to the old system except for one key change (which we'll get to in a minute): Kyle Busch slides down two spots in the standings while Jeff Gordon and Clint Bowyer each move up one.

In the meantime, let's break down the Johnson-Hamlin-Harvick battle heading into Homestead. One of the great storylines for the season's final race was how Johnson and Hamlin controlled their own destiny: if either won the 400-miler and led the most laps, the title was theirs. But a quick look at this possible new system shows that wouldn't have been the case last November:

Points with one race left:

Hamlin 356
Harvick 346
Johnson 345

That's right; under the points system detailed above, it would have been Harvick, not Johnson, in second place, with Hamlin holding a healthy lead entering the finale. All the Virginian would have to do is finish sixth or better and the title would be his, producing a scenario where he wouldn't have had to race aggressively from the back of the field after a poor starting spot. That, looking back, produced the cold reality last season in which he wrecked himself and his chance for the title at Homestead.

So as it turns out, this proposal would have increased the chances of a Hamlin cakewalk coronation at Homestead, not a nail-biter all the way to the checkered flag. But wait, there's more. Let's look at Kyle Busch's drop in the standings mentioned earlier. One of the sport's "boom or bust" hard chargers, Busch's Chase was derailed because of an ugly crash with David Reutimann and two additional DNFs. Well, turns out those rough endings would have hurt him more under this system. His 293 laps led compared to Gordon's 106 wouldn't have made a difference as consistency, not running up front, would have affected the point standings.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_bowles/01/18/NASCAR.points.system/index.html#ixzz1BUM9ZuKi

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Wendal Ebach

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It should be something to watch that is for sure.

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John Sherman

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They need more points for winning. Put a 75 or 50 point difference from first to second and watch for some good finishes. What is the difference if there is only a few points from first to second. Better yet only give points for the top 15 cars. No more riding around or start and park drivers.

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I agree, there needs to be an emphasis on winning. A few years ago I'd say I'd be shocked if the points system changes. Now, anything is possible. France does some pretty dumb things.

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