I think those who chose Biffle should be able to keep that pick. I saw today there was an email that said we needed to change it to Kenseth, but it was too late. I also noticed that 10 or 11 players did not have a claim jumper bonus pick. I do not know how many of those were Biffle picks....but if they were, they should stand!! Thanks
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Sorry, but claim jumpers can not be switched over if there's a change. If some people already used Kenseth they would be out of luck while others would get the benefit. Some people might have wanted to save Kenseth until another race. It isn't the same as just switching a regular driver over.
I guess the issue I have is the short time we had to make the change. I received your email Wednesday night, and with the deadline being Thursday....wow only 24 hours...and thats if everyone saw the email. When 0ver 20% of the players have the same issue...I think something needs to be looked at. I think those who did get to read the email had an advantage over those who did not. Maybe in the future,no emails should be sent out, making it equal to all. Thanks
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Well, if I didn't send any emails out about driver changes, I think that would be a lot worse. I send emails out as soon as I hear the news about a change. If I was psychic, and I knew that Greg Biffle was going to bruise his ribs I would have made the change at the very beginning of the week.
And actually, the deadline in the Nationwide series was Friday evening, so that's 48 hours.
-- Edited by President Lou Demian on Sunday 22nd of March 2009 08:37:36 AM
Lou...its nothing you did...it was a freak thing that happened to Biffle. It would be different if Biffle failed to qualify. I just feel slighted because those who read their emails had an unfair advantage. I am not sure when I submitted my picks, but maybe a notice on the picks page would have been equal to all. I guess I would like to hear what others think, but thats fruitless because those who were slighted will be upset and those who benefited will say....WOOHOOO !!
24 or 48 hours....doesnt really matter..cause I didnt see the email until after the race on Saturday!!
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Well I don't know if putting a notice on the picks form would do any good because I don't think many people go back to look at the form once they submit their picks.
So reading a league wide email provides an advantage to some people..... you feel that I should just make changes on the form once I see a driver switch and not inform people after I do it? Let's see how that flies.
Yes, I would like to see what other think on this topic too.
Never mind...after seeing the results, I know why it wont change. I should have had a top 10 finish and moved up in the standings...now I finished 35th and dropped out of the top ten. I just hope this doesnt come up at seasons end, if the points race is tight. I believe whoever picked the #16-Biffle should have been given the pick. This league is alot of fun, and I think the members should get the benefit of the doubt when something controversial comes up...
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As I said, its a bit different when it comes to the claim jumper pick. If it was one of the driver picks, its not a problem because he is in the same car.
However, with the claim jumper picks, you are actually choosing the driver not the car.
Now what if Matt Kenseth had finished 35th? Would this be an issue then? I don't think so.
Makes no difference where he finishes....a pick is a pick. Those of us who put picks in early were punished..period...no way around it. Like ya said....I am no mind reader either...if I was I would have know you sent an email. I didnt see it...I didnt make the change, and yet I am being punished....off to watch the race....
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Be glad that somebody cares enough about his League and his people to send an e-mail informing members of a change regardless of when it is...it's a member's responsibility to read e-mails concerning the league...48 hours even 24 is more than enough time...plus for God sakes it's the Nationwide Series...everything's a gamble with drivers so make your picks before a deadline...somebodys just mad cause the President won and doesn't understand rules.
The Claim Jumper bonus
The claim Jumper bonus began in 2007 to replace the Truck bonus option. A claim jumper used to called a Busch-wacker when the series was sponsored by Busch. These drivers are in the top 35 in the Sprint Cup standings. These drivers generally perform better than regular Nationwide series drivers. You can only use this bonus driver once during the season. You can still pick that driver if they appear in another class during the season. If you choose the same bonus driver twice during the season, you won't receive any bonus points for that particular driver in the race. You can see which drivers you've chosen so far on the Claim Jumper bonus grid which lists everyone's bonus picks. You can link to it from the main menu and from the Nationwide picks form. You can not choose that driver if you already picked him in another class in the same race. If you do, you will receive 0 points for the bonus option. You will not be notified of the error. It is up to you to choose correctly. If you choose a bonus driver and he does not make the field, it will still count for your one pick during the year.
lol take a chill pill R.J. !! This absolutely nothing to do with WHO won....It has to do with whats right....nothing else. Maybe if you would READ....you would see I had these concerns BEFORE Lou posted the finish. Shessh.......its only the Nationwide Series....kinda childish with that statemeny huh? A league is a league !
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I saw when you posted it...but you also didnt do anything about it so now you suffer...everybody faces the same rules and I may run into the same thing too, but I won't complain cause rules are rules...
Since you were nice enough to post the CJB rules....maybe you can tell me where and what happens if a driver change is made? It does not say....period.
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No, you are correct, it isn't that section that was posted. That rule was changed a couple of years ago in the Nationwide series where if there was a driver change that happened during the week, the car would automatically be switched over. However, there is a section on your picks and bonus drivers written elsewhere in the rules. I should probably add a section in the claim jumper bonus to make it more clear.
-- Edited by President Lou Demian on Sunday 22nd of March 2009 06:53:02 PM
I think the key thing here is, your picking the driver not the car with the claim jumpers. I have seen more debates over Busch\Nationwide series picks then any other series. And it seems like its always over Cup drivers, one year we had a similar situation where you were only allowed two Cup drivers on your team, and after the picks had been made Kyle Busch was put in the #5 car and one driver at Lucky Dog had picked the #5 car, that driver got the win because he was picking the car not the driver. He had three Cup drivers while everyone else had two, but the Council had to let the win stand because he picked car #5. And believe me I fought it tooth and nail that this guy had a win handed to him because he had an advantage over the rest of the drivers, and I bet Lou got sick of getting emails about it. But all my emails didnt change the fact that the rule said your picking the car not the driver, now we have it both ways with the claim jumpers. If your picking Drivers and that driver misses the race you dont get points for him, Thats just my view from dealing with other debates in the past. I know how you feel, I have been there as a driver and a Council member
Exactly.... and I ask again, if any member sees a driver swap that is not yet reflected on the picks form.... please, please, please, let me know about it so I can make the change on the form.
I don't monitor latebreaking NASCAR news 24/7, so you may see something before I do. Actually Stephen DiCaprio told me this week with his picks.
The sooner I know, the sooner I can make the change on the form and the sooner I can email the league about the change.
I've read everything that everyone has wrote and I'm totally mixed about this because on one hand you have the rules and I understand that we are picking the driver and not the car number but, in this case Matt Kenseth was replacing Greg Biffle so, I think that the drivers that picked Greg Biffle should get Matt Kenseth points.
I mean say this would have happened after the picks locked, would have you gave the drivers that picked Biffle -- Kenseth Points?
The one question that I have is the Drivers that picked Greg Biffle can they use him again since he didnt race then?
People that did pick Biffle got Kenseth's points if they picked them as a regular pick. Their picks were switched over to Kenseth. They are in the same car.
As its been stated over and over again, the claim jumper works differently since you are picking a driver, not a car.
Those picks are not changed over since people have may have used Kenseth already. Not sure if that's the case or not, but it doesn't matter.
Claim jumper picks are worked differently since this is an optional pick, not a required pick. Some members may have a whole strategy set out with their picks. They may have set it to use Kenseth down the road instead of this week. Now if Kenseth had a subpar perfomance this week, would it be fair to force them to use him when they didn't pick him? I know he had a great run, but you can't have that option whether or not he finishes well. All claim jumper picks must be finalized before the deadline. Sometimes you get burned, it happens to everyone. Even happened to me a couple of times last year.
And yes, you can use Biffle later in the year since Biffle didn't attempt to qualify.
I am no longer in this Series as you guys know, but it seems to me from the outside looking in, that the right course of action was taken.
It sucks that John didn't get the email, but to me that is where the problem lies. Ultimately, it is each individual's responsibility to check for that last minute change in whatever driver or car. Eight times out of ten, you can feel confident that your picks will be good when you submit them, but there are those few strange cases that pop up that all of us have been burned by. Even I got it hit with it back when I was in this Series.
If Drivers are getting burned by this rule maybe it should be the car # instead of the driver if there is a mid week change like this. I guess it didnt effect me due to the fact I had submitted my picks on Thursday which was after the change had been made.
I just happened to be on Jayski and saw Kenseth was replacing Biffle. I think that was Wednesday night, so plenty of time for people to change. I agree with R.J.
