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Gary Wheat

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Wondering if I'm the only one...


Am I the only person who hates restrictor plate racing?  Not just from a fantasy point, but the race itself.  I understand the big one and close pack and all that, but its about boring.  You can usually turn on the lat 20 laps and see everything.  There is little strategy as far as what you do with your car.  Just wait around the back if you want to and come to the front toward the end.  Shoot, you could run in the back and just hang onto the draft and finish in the top 10 when all the wrecks happen.  Just look at the 2 yesterday.

But everytime I say something, I get people tell me I'm crazy for not liking Dega and Daytona.  Am I the only one?

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Paul Scannell

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You are not alone, give me a good mile or less track any day. I really like tracks with less than 2 groves. Where trading paint is the only way to pass on the track. Seeing who can keep their cool and what teams move up on pit road strategy. These are the tracks that make qualifying important as well, no sitting back on your top 35 in points crap. The whole weekend counts and you better come to race or you won't win.

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John Sherman

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Put me in that crowd. I turned on the race with 20 laps to go. Same with the nation race saw the whole race as far as I am concerned. As far as picks its a crap shoot. But hats off to the 29 for a good finish. That was the 45 second highlight of the race.

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Wendal Ebach

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I would rather sit down and watch a Daytona or Talladega race any day, you never know whats going to happen.



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Stephen DiCaprio - Vice-President

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That was probably one of the better Nascar races in recent years. I'd take 88 lead changes over any of the boring 1.5 mile follow the leader tracks any day.

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Wendal Ebach

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I hear that one Stephen. The NNS race was pretty good too.

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Hurricane Sidwell

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I Could Watch Them Race A Restrictor Plate Race Every Weekend.
It's The Pocono's & Fontana's I Can't Stand.

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Will Riney - Council Member

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I love restrictor plate racing!

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Nathan Helton
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Love to watch it, hate to pick drivers in Fantasy Racing for it. I think I have always had 2 or more drivers taken out in the Big Ones. How can you not like 88 lead changes between what was it 29 drivers, thats more than half the field. And I like Pocono, 3 different turns, 3 different straits, and you can pit without losing a lap.

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Robert Butterfield
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I'll never understand how anyone could call Sundays' 'Dega race boring and still consider yourself a fan, to each his own I guess but they put on a great show for us; if anything sucked it was Fox and the commentary.

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Lou Demian - President

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I'm pretty much like Nathan.... I love watching restrictor plate racing but it stinks when it comes to picking drivers for it. You have just as much luck as drawing names from a hat.

But its great to watch, it amazes me how drivers can race in tight packs like that. one wrong move and you can take out half the field.



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Gary Wheat

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Hmmm, seems I hit a sore spot with some. Even got my fanhood questioned, but isn't racing supposed to be who can go the fastest? Dega and Daytona used to be won by guys who lapped the entire field sometimes because they were innovative or just cheated better than the other guy. I get as tired as anybody seeing the 48 in victory lane, but I'd rather see the best and fastest than a toss up every week. 29 different leaders and 88 lead changes is a good thing? Do we seriously think 29 different drivers could ever lead a non-restrictor plate race? To me, it's just not racing when everybody is restricted to going the same speed. If its so much better racing, why not do it on more than just 2 tracks?

But I do agree about the drivers, to race in that tight a pack amazes me that there aren't more wrecks.

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Matt Sealey
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President Lou Demian wrote:

I'm pretty much like Nathan.... I love watching restrictor plate racing but it stinks when it comes to picking drivers for it. You have just as much luck as drawing names from a hat.



 sorry, but I disagree.  Plate racing is hard to make picks for but it isn't a 'crapshoot'.

RTI drivers have had 37 appearances at Daytona. In those races we have scored 7 Top Fives and 4 Top Tens.

RTI drivers have had 38 appearances at Talladega.  In those races we have scored 9 Top Fives and 3 Top Tens.

and I didn't include all the 11th place finishes we have gotten.

(I know not all of these races were under the RTI banner, but I'm just showing results from 4 different men)

We have had bad showings as well (especially me) but there is a strategy to the plate races just as there is a strategy in the real race.



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Paul Scannell

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Tooz's last statement sums it up real racing no holds barred and then there is restrictor racing who has the biggest set and won't lift. Loss the plate and lets see what they could do. 230, 240, more you want to talk about closing rate and drafting add 30 or 40 mph. The only thing worse than a plate race is a mileage race. Just my .02.

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Gary Wheat

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Guess I wasn't the only one. Check out this Head2Head article from NASCAR.com if you want a little more.

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/features/04/27/head.2.head.richmond.talladega/index.html

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Lou Demian - President

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To each is own really. I love restrictor plate racing, and I love mile, mile and a half racing at Richmond, Dover, Bristol, Darlington, etc.  I even like the 2 road courses each year as well.

The only thing that I don't like is the follow the leader races that tracks like California and Pocono can provide.... but not all the races at those tracks are that way. I've seen some darn good ones at Pocono.

If you had the same type of track all season long, you'd get bored with it. It's good to mix things up and have something different each week.

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Stephen DiCaprio - Vice-President

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I agree Lou, but in a perfect world we'd have a few more of the good tracks and a few less of the bad tracks (Pocono, California, Michigan)! Take away those 6 and split them up between short tracks, road courses and super speedways!

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Pocono is bland now, but before a few years ago in a 'cost cutting move' when Nascar deemed only two gears acceptable is when they ruined it.

Back then, half the fun was seeing who would blow their transmission no matter how well they had run all day.

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Gary Wheat

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Here's an except from an article on frontstretch.com that I thought the Earnhardt fans might enjoy.

I'm not alone in my dislike of plate racing. Most of the drivers hate it. And we're not just talking about guys who are sore because they wiped out their car, had to be cut out of the carnage, and finished 32nd. Any reasonable person would agree with what the late (as a result of the plates) Dale Earnhardt consistently said from Victory Lane, "I don't care what they say, this ain't real racing."

Another time Earnhardt famously fumed, "If Mr. Bill France could see the sorry mess they've made out of racing here at Daytona, he'd been turning in his grave."

And that's coming from a guy who won ten times at Talladega.

Dale Earnhardtl Jr. has won at Talladega five times, and Daytona twice. Those seven wins easily exceed more than one-third of his total Cup victories. Yet here was his take on Sunday's race:

"It's not really about someone's car handling better or somebody's motor being better. Cars might as well all be kit cars for these two races. It was fun, but it was kind of like a carnival ride. After two or three of 'em, youre kind of like, 'All right, I'm burned out on this.'"



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Matt Sealey
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I don't think any of us said the drivers like it.............the FANS are the ones who like plate racing. Some fans don't, but I'm sure the overwhelming majority love plate races for the lead changes and yes, the crashes as well.

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my two cents....
I just love racing ! Period ! I would sit and watch two kids race tricycles in a straight line or around a track and love it ! Nascar's growth and popularity has caused it to lose a good bit of its heritage and tracks we all loved. Afternoons spent at North Wilkesboro or Rockinham are barely even memories anymore and if Nascar had its way Darlington would suffer the same fate. As with any business they are in it to make money and while two races at 'the lady in black' makes more sense to most fans the France's see all the millions they make from corporate sponsors to race in front of a sparse California crowd. Personally I can hardly stay awake to watch Cali or Pocono races but I still tune in each week because I am a fan. Nascar has been in my blood since my dad used to take me to Richmond when it was still the site of the fairgrounds. These days you cant even recognize the same highway much less wonder where the fair was. In this politically correct world where kids don't even have to earn ribbons in events we are lucky Nascar doesn't give a trophy to all who participate. I'm not a great fan of restrictor plate racing but I understand the need to keep the cars from going 240 mph ! Those wrecks are crazy now ! I didn't appreciate seeing Earnhardt die on the track and I would hate to witness that at every super speedway race !

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Plate racing isnt racing..enough said

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Paul Scannell

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Wow what a great conversation. Even though it is only 40 miles from my house I must agree about Michigan, boring. Pocano was a great track and could be again with more choices for the teams. Racing is about what you like the best and the road courses are great on TV but hard to enjoy in person.
As for speed = death at tracks that is just wrong. These cars are safer than ever and there have been some wrecks that 20 years ago would have resulted in serious injury or death. Death has been an unfortunate part of NASCAR from the begining. Do we stop competative Pit Stops because people could die even at 45mph? No green flag stops, all planned out under caution with no time limit? Everyone exits in the order they enter. I think not.
Again just my .02

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Matt Sealey
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Leon and Paul..........both of you had great insight into the conversation........well said.

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