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Matt Sealey
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Very Hot Topic: Kobe vs. Mike


Roland Lazenby's Lakernoise blog has all kinds of interesting points to add to this debate, from Phil Jackson's longtime right-hand man (and current Laker consultant) Tex Winter. Winter has been around both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant for almost their entire careers. You should really read the whole thing, but here are some excerpts that Lazenby has generously let me cut and paste:

A few years back, the Lakers coaching staff concluded Bryant and Jordan were much alike, almost eerie, in fact, when it came to the alpha male qualities of their competitive natures.

Kobe and Michael were ruthless when it came to winning, everyone agreed.

And their skills were similar.

Except Michael's hands were larger.

The major difference between the two came with college experience. Jordan had played in a basketball system for Dean Smith at North Carolina, thus he was better prepared to play within a team concept.

Winter says they're both very much alike:

"They both display tremendous reaction, quickness and jumping ability. Both have a good shooting touch. Some people say Kobe is a better shooter, but Michael really developed as a shooter as he went along. I don't know if Kobe is a better shooter than Michael was at his best."
Observers like to point out that Jordan played on a Chicago Bulls team with no great center, but Winter always countered that Jordan was a great post-up player and in essence was the premier post weapon of his time.

Bryant himself came into the NBA with amazingly good post skills, but there was never room for him to play in the post with Shaquille O'Neal occupying the lane during their years together with the Lakers.

In a lot of ways, Bryant is Jordan's equal as a post player, Winter said, except for one critical element. "What's happened to Kobe and his post play - and he is a great post player - is that he's catching the ball just out of the lane and the defenders are forcing him out toward the wing."

As a result of getting pushed out of the post, Winter worries that Bryant may rely too heavily on three-pointers, which Bryant often shoots against intense pressure.

Winter also admits that Bryant abandons aspects of the triangle offense with some regularity. But that's not Winter's main complaint with the guard:

"I'd like to see him play better defense," Winter said, adding that he had addressed the issue recently with Bryant but didn't come away with the idea that Bryant was intent on changing his approach.

"You know Kobe," Winter said with a chuckle. "He has his game plan. I think he heard me. But he feels there's a certain way he's got to play the game. But it doesn't involve a lot of basically sound defense."

Because the Lakers need so much of his effort at the offensive end, Bryant has adopted a save-energy plan on the defensive end, Winter said. "He's basically playing a lot of one-man zone. He's doing a lot of switching, zoning up, trying to come up with the interception.

"The way Kobe plays defensively affects the team," Winter added. "Anybody that doesn't play consistently good defense hurts the team. That's not only Kobe. Our other guards tend to gamble and get beat. Another problem is that the screen and roll is not played correctly."

Winter never really says who's better. But to me, at this stage that's a victory for the legacy of Kobe Bryant. Winter is tough, honest, and as good an authority on this topic as we'll ever get. If he thinks it's a debate worth having, that's really something. Not all that long ago only die-hard Laker fans were seriously making the case that Bryant might be Jordan's equal.


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that Bryant might be Jordan's equal.......that had to be a typo ...lol
honestly...can anyone think much less say that with a straight face ? sure kobe can shoot a few and hes shown he can score 40 or 50 points but he cant carry mikes shoes ! michale jordan was a class act , when he walked in any room everyone stood up and took notice . kobe is a punk . remember the game where mike vomitted 3 times in the last quarter and still sank the game winning shot ? kobe wouldnt have come out in the second half cuz his tummy hurt . mike made the bulls and mr . bryant has been given the same opportunity but what has he shown ? if he were even the best player in the nba , which he is far from being , he couldnt beat the knicks out there by himself and hes definitely not a team player . mike made everyone around him better . he made pippen a household name for gods sake and what did he do A.M { after mike } same thing kobes done ...nothing ! lebron may one day be mikes equal but hes the only player i see capable of that distinction . good players yes but take over game on any given night ...noone !
there can be only one ! kobe wouldnt make my top50 of active players unless im in need of a sex offender ....he should be playing for bengals

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poor misguided fool............Rodman and Pippen were the main reason Mikey got the last three.
But lets look at the facts............ask ANY guard in the NBA, Iverson, Wade, Nash, all of them, they say Kobe is the best in the game today. I think their opinion is pretty valid.
Kobe has done so much more than Mike did at this age. You can say its because Kobe came straight out of school to the pros but its just fact that he has more talent.
Keep in mind who was doing the observing in that article........Tex Winter. Again, I think his opinion matters more than any of us.
You really shouldn't throw name calling into this when Mikey was unrepentive adulterer and gambler (where is the pete rose treatment?)
Kobe's accusers just wanted money and has since said so.
Kobe right now is Mike's equal, five more years, he will be looked at as the best ever.

Lebron? seriously? He can't even come through in the 4th quarter against average teams. He's proven that time and time again. I like him but I would even have to put Iverson ahead of him no matter how much it pains me to do so.

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am not saying lebron is better than anyone , am saying he is only one with the talent to be considered on mikes level one day. as for tex ' observation as you say its all mind games anyway . he wants kobe to believe he will be an even better player if he would buy into the triangle , which in fact he would . if players had come out back in the day michael may have come out a year earlier but i will agree he grew into what he was . im afraid what you see is all youre gonna get from your boy kobe . time will tell but he is not now nor will he ever be mikes heir apparent . still say hes several spots down on my roster

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no he is not the 'next mike'....he is just 'kobe, better than mike'.

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