As many of you know, the Council went to the Chat room tonight to discuss the new and seemingly very popular notion of using teams in LuckyDog much like what goes on in Nascar with Hendrick, Gibbs, Yates and the like. Several members popped in and out to see what was going on, but for those of you that couldn't make it, we wanted to explain what went on. Nothing is official yet, it still has to be put to a vote in a Council meeting, (one member was not able to attend), but still this will give everyone an idea of what we were thinking of.
Lou thought up this brainchild, so first, he should be recognized for pushing forward and keeping this league fresh and exciting.
Once again, this is not official yet, this is a proposal that will go to a Council vote soon.
Individual teams in all three series will have an opportunity to join up with other teams to potentially help or even hurt themselves in the standings. This is not a mandatory activity but is strongly encouraged for the simple fact that it has already become so popular that those that do not take advantage of this may be left by the wayside in the standings. (I'll explain as I go)
First off, TEAMS will be capped at 4 individuals per team. This does not mean you need four, but you can't go over that limit at any point.
TEAM leaders will invite members into the fold of a particular TEAM, once you have been invited, you can either accept or deny that particular TEAM's invite. Once you have accepted an offer to join, you are with that TEAM for a one-year contract, unless you are traded or resign from the TEAM. If you resign, you can not join another TEAM that year, but if you are traded, you can providing there is space for you at the new TEAM.
TEAMs will not trade a driver unless that particular driver wishes to be traded as well as the other person on the other end of the trade.
For the individuals out there that don't know anyone, or just don't feel comfortable with inviting others to join, a random drawing will be held to determine TEAM members if they so choose.
TEAM leaders (the ones who invite you into a TEAM) will be determined by seniority in the league. Currently we have 11 members from the inaugeral season, If there are ten individuals from that year who wish to start their own TEAM, then they will get first crack at inviting other members into their TEAM. (pertains to Cup league)
This TEAM concept will be active in all three Series. If I have TEAM A in the Cup Series, and my members are 1,2,3, and 4. I may still be on a TEAM B with members 1,3,7, and 8 in the Truck Series. When an individual moves up to another Series, he can only stay with his particular TEAM if there is room for him at that next level.
The TEAM leader will pick the TEAM Name for which you will operate under. All TEAMmates will operate under the same name. For example, if I run a TEAM, it would no longer be called June Bug Racing since their are other drivers in the fold, so I would want to pick a name that recognizes all of the members in the TEAM.
How this works for the Standings: You get BONUS POINTsforfinishing in the Top 10 and nothing for middle of the road, but you can also get negative points for the Bottom 10 as well. It's a double-edged sword that can payoff handsomely or hurt you if you align with drivers who consistantly finish at the bottom. 1st- 10 points 43rd - -10 points 2nd- 9 points 42nd - -9 points 3rd - 8 points 41st - -8 points 4th - 7 points 40th - -7 points 5th - 6 points 39th - -6 points 6th - 5 points 38th - -5 points 7th - 4 points 37th - -4 points 8th - 3 points 36th - -3 points 9th - 2 points 35th - -2 points 10th- 1 point 34th - -1 point 11th-33rd - no points All TEAM members recieve points gained or lost by all members of that particular TEAM. EXAMPLE: If TEAM A has 4 drivers and one finishes 1st and one finishes 7th while one finishes 15th and one finishes 42nd. All four TEAM members would get 4 pts. added to their individual Standings points that week.
TEAM memberscan discuss each others picks with one another prior to making your picks for the week as long as its not done on the forums.
There will be a Forum set up for each TEAM so that any perspective individual wishing to join can let that be known on that forum. This is also where perspective Trades will be discussed in the future.
If a TEAM only has three or less members, they can invite new rookies moving up since they have open spots on their TEAM.
A TEAM leader can make picks for an individual if said individual cannot access a computer for a particular week due to vacation or such. The individual needs to contact the TEAM Leader as well as the President to inform them of this situation.
Individuals wishing to not align themselves with anyone will be considered a 'one-car TEAM'. One-car TEAMs will still recieve Bonus Points or Negative Points depending on where they finish in a race.
This is being proposed as an effort to create more of a community in this league. We would like all drivers in here talking more with each other. The view is, if you have teammates, you might be more likely to strike up conversation whether to cheer them on or to provide helpful advice or whatever. Once again, this in not mandatory, but it should help the league as a whole get more aquainted with each other.
*****Lou, or any other Council Member, if I left something out, please feel free to speak up, I believe I got it all, but I have been known to make a mistake or two in my time. *****Once again, thanks to the individuals who showed up to the Chat Room tonight to give your views.
Lou, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is how the first twelve stack up as far as Seniority of joining the league. (used to determine TEAM Leaders)
Intimidator Racing Oceanside Racing Green Flag Racing Bump and Go Racing Armchair Racing Inc. Trapt Racing Syracuse Alpine Racing Nascar Fan Racing Inc. June Bug Racing Big Country Motorspors Shawnda's Redneck Racing Suezbele Racing, Inc.
If we are not able to get ten TEAM Leaders from those twelve, then we would go to teams that started in '05. (more than likely the case since it is more than likely that Lou and his wife will team up and Shawnda may team up with her brother...etc.)
We may want to think about letting a potential team leader use his ranking to form a team, but if he wants to, giving up his leadership to one of his teammates.
Example... I don't know if this is the case or not, but Bumpy is high in seniority.... he could form a team and pick Speedy to be on his team. If the two agree, Speedy could become the team leader instead. However it's up to the original team leader, if thats what he wants to do.
EXAMPLE: If TEAM A has 4 drivers and one finishes 1st and one finishes 7th while one finishes 15th and one finishes 42nd. All four TEAM members would get 4 pts. added to their individual Standings points that week.
It would actually be 5 points.... player A finishes 1st: 10 points player B finishes 7th: 4 points player C finishes 15: 0 points Player D finishes 42nd: -9 points
All 4 players scores would be added up, which would be 5 points. Those 5 points would be added to the standings scores..... so player A would receive a total of 190 points added to the standings... 185 race points + 5 team bonus points. I plan to have 3 separate columns on the standings page where you could see race, team bonus and combined points. The team that scores the most bons points for the year would receive a special award.
I wanted to try and keep the points kind of low for the teams so it won't be too devestating for the 1 car teams. It'll be a bit of an uphill climb for them but they can still compete against the multi-car teams.
Also, I don't know if we will start off with a forum for each team... that'll be a lot of different forums. I think we'll just have one forum for team posts. That's where players can post messages looking to join teams or teams looking to add members.
and as for team leaders trading members: I think leaders should be able to trade or release members without their consent... unless the member requests a no trade clause at their addition. They would have to inform me of the clause. I'd post it on their page as well.
The team leader is in charge of his team, much like a general manager. If a member is constantly bringing down a team with poor finishes, that leader may want to drop or trade him.
On the other hand, all members that join a team are binded to a one year contract. If during the year they wish to leave... they can not join another multi-car team. They can run as a one car team, but all bonus points they achieve would also go to their original team... unless the team leader releases them from their contract.
-- Edited by President Lou Demian at 11:05, 2007-07-25
Sorry I missed the meeting. Only thing I can see is I think its unfair for "team" scores to affect individual scores in league. Thats how Yates fan explained it too me anyway. Lou, please send me an email when you get time and give me the readers digest version of the break-down. Man I'm tired as heck so should be home a little early today. Thanks
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Well I think Matt broke it down pretty clear up top.... I'm not sure how else to explain it. Having additional points added to your score by how your teammates run will have you cheering for your teammates instead of trying to just do better then them.
JGibbsdomination wrote: Question though, I see how you determine how teams will be formed in the Cup Series but what about the Busch and Truck series?
I think we will probably use the same seniority throughout the other 2 series.... however, I think we should have it that if two members in the Cup Series are on different teams, they can't be on the same team in the Busch or Truck Series. That would cause some conflict there. Whoever is on your Cup team would need to be on your Busch or Truck team if they are in that series.
I have to say that although I like the idea of having teams, I agree with Speedy, the one portion I disagree with is the part where your team score will affect your individual points. I have not heard to what extent this would go, but for those of us that participate in the Money Pit, All Star Cash, etc. this could have a very positive or devastating effect. I would be in favor of team scores not affecting the individual's point total.
Well, one option that we could do with terms of the money pit is only count race points, not the team bonus points.
The All Star Challenge is an exhibition race only, so that would not be affected here.
The team bonus points will be a bit of a change but with the way they are set up, I don't think they will produce a massive swing either way. The points will be low enough each week that it wouldn't be much more of a difference than like it is now. Just think of it as finishing a few spots higher or maybe lower in the race. Basicly if you do well on a consistant basis, you will be high in the standings. If you do poorly.... no matter how well your teammates are going to do, you still are going to be low in the standings.
Don't think that if you do poorly now, and you latch on to a 4 car team next season, you are instantly going to be doing great in the standings. The reverse is the same as well.... If you do great and and you might have a teammate or two that does poorly and saps a few points away from you each week, that you are going to plummet in the standings.
I certainly do not want to create a massive power swing either way with the team bonus points... just a little extra strategy that will add some fun.
-- Edited by President Lou Demian at 12:14, 2007-07-26
lou, you cant make everyone happy all the time. we set the rules and everyone plays by them that makes it 100% fair for everyone.every team will know the rules and scoring system going into next system! that's all we can do! some people wouldn't like working in a pie factory! if you are good enough and lucky enough you should win the championship if you run a 1 car or 4 car team thats why our proposal lets teams run 1 or 4 car teams! let the council make the rules and no matter if i like them or not i will play by them and thats it! do whats fair and let the loose ends fall! the team concept is awesome i think thats the majority! so just imagine how hard it is to be president of the united states!
