When has NASCAR EVER, in the HISTORY of the SPORT, blacked flagged a drive for spining a car out and taking the lead?
Isnt this the way SR got half of his win? By intentionally ramming cars to get the lead? How else did he get his nickname?
Lou says Gordons best days are behind him, of course they are, hes 35. Lous says all we can talk about is Gordons past, at least he HAS had his best days and he HAS a past. Jr has accomplished next to nothing. There are a ton of drivers,active who have done way more than JR. There are only a few drivers who have EVER done more than Gordon. What is it 1yr that JR has ever won more races than Gordon? If Gordons washed up what does that make JR?
Oh yeah, Gordon was trash talked, so it's time to wake from the hibernation.
Why is it whenever something bad is said about Gordon, the Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. references have to come into play? The incident was between Kenseth and Gordon, not Jr. and Gordon.... so where does Jr. come into play? sounds like an infiriority complex... You can't blame Sr. anymore, so blame his son who races nothing like his father did. It's funny... Gordon races as dirty as Sr. did back in the day, but when Sr. was doing it, all you were doing was complaining about it.
Yeah, Sr. bumped and intimidated guys, but NASCAR was a lot more lax those days. These days drivers get penalized for rough driving, but they choose to play favorites. Carl Edwards was just black flagged in the Busch Series not too long ago for rough driving.
It wasn't so much the bump and run that pissed me off.. it was Gordon and it's his dumbass explanation of the whole thing. Gordon has no problem running people over but when someone does it to him, **** has to hit the fan. Just the last race at Daytona, Gordon was complaining that Jr. was bump-drafting in the corners. Did Jr. wreck anyone? No... Yet Gordon takes out the race leader when he could have easily passed him.
Yeah, so Jr. hasn't won any championships yet, but he definately has the capability. Look where he is this year compared to last year. Meanwhile Gordon will be lucky if he can hang out on to the final chase spot.
And the big difference between Gordon and Sr? Dale Sr. didn't go whining about it the next race... Or did he go up and push someone in victory lane still wearing his helmet so he couldn't get hit.
Dale Sr. wasn't a crybaby no class wuss..... but Jeff Gordon always has been and always will be. He's pathetic.
So, I am correct in saying, in the Winston/Nextel Cup, NASCAR has NEVER, in the HISTORY of the SPORT, blacked flagged a driver for spining a car out and taking the lead?
Also, I find it funny how the 3 people who watch and study NASCAR for a living say Gordon didnt do anything wrong but Lou in New Jersey, who happens to be a JR fan, Does think he did something wrong.
What difference does it matter if it's for the lead or not?
Drivers have been black flagged for agressive driving many times. Three of them were black flagged in the Daytona 500 for agressive driving.
But then I never said that Gordon should have been black flagged, did I? According to NASCAR, what he did was legal. I just said that he had no remorse from spinning Kenseth out and called him an ass for doing so. The drivers will work it out amongst themselves and trust me... Gordon is a marked man now.
And what difference does it make if I live in New Jersey and "happen" to be a Jr. fan. If I recall Tom Brownie started the original ranting and he doesn't like Jr. either... so what difference does it make who likes who?
So he is pansy for not showing remorse, so if he showed remorse he would be more of a man?
And you are missing the pt on black flagging, NASCAR will NEVER or has it EVER black flagged a driver in the closing laps for spinning a driver when the race is on the line. This is another reason why NASCAR is a joke, Mr Prez gets on his soap box and says, "dont cheat" we MAY come down on you. How about some hard and fast rules? God forbid. Bottom line is if Jeff Green is caught he gets the axe, JJ or Jr gets caught we will not park them. This just adds to one of the reason NASCAR will never be on par with the big 3 sports.
Sr was a throw back driver and comparisons between him and Gordon just don't work. Gordon was the first real driver of the 90's. Earnhardt was still driving like he was in the 70's and early 80's. Both driving styles worked, as they have 11 championships and 150+ wins between them.
Why do we need to compare Jr. to Gordon? Gordon has more wins and championships. Its a fact. Have that fag Bill Weber look it up for you before the race when he is looking up where Dale Jarrett started at the Michigan race in '93.
Jr. was thrust into the spot light when his dad died. He would have liked to grow into his place in NASCAR with his dad by his side. It didn't turn out that way. Gordon came into NASCAR and was able to take his licks and grow into his spot in the sport. That is why he is now one of the threats to win every week (along with Stewart, Biffle and Kenseth).
Lets end these petty comparisons once and for all. Each driver (Sr., Gordon and Jr.) has had ups and downs in the career. Two of them have 75+ wins and multiple championships. One of them is the son of a NASCAR legend who has won his share of races, has been the most popular driver the past 5 years and has a high profile sponsor which has his name and face on everything.
Its ok to root for or against any of them. But, as I have stated here in the past, just because you like one, doesn't mean you have to dislike the other(s).
I agree with you there, Will. Every time something negative is said about Gordon, Jr's and Sr's name is always brought into the arguement even if they had NOTHING to do with it. Well Gordon's done this ... Gordon's done that... What has Jr. done??
You like a driver by the type of driver he is, not all his accomplishments. Yes, Jr. will probably never equal Gordon with most of his records. And you know what, I'm fine with that.
I have great admiration for Dale Jr. Yes, he was thrust in the spotlight after his father's death. He was made to be the new face of NASCAR when he wasn't comfortable with that. He had to deal with his father's death and still does today. How would you like it if your father died and you had to see his face week in and week out all over your workplace? I think you would find it hard to concentrate. But Jr. was able to get it done. He didn't just give up his career.
Then there are those who say Jr. gets all the attention because of his name. He has a lot of fans that came over from the Sr. camp but his father didn't give him his talent. He had to work hard to get where he is. Running in modifieds when he was 16 years old, eventually working his way up to the Busch Series where he won 2 championships. He's won quite a few races in the Cup Series so far and currently sits 3rd in points this year. Yes, he's no Jeff Gordon, but he's accomplished a lot more than most drivers out there.
Jr. is gaining respect on and off the track these days. For the most part he races clean, much cleaner than Jeff Gordon and his father did.
While I was a Dale Earnhardt fan, I am a much bigger Dale Jr. fan.
So enough with the comparisons. Yes, Gordon is a more accomplished driver than Dale Jr. is, you won't get any arguement from me there. Whoever you like, you like. I personally can not stand Jeff Gordon, it's been that way for years. He's a dirty driver... yes, Dale Sr. was too. However Dale Sr, didn't try to hide it like Jeff Gordon does. And Dale Sr. did not cry and whine about everything under the sun. Plus that whole pretty boy ****y attitude just irks me.
You may have your dislikes about Dale Jr, for whatever reason and fine.... Every person is entitled to their opinion. However it's just stupid to keep comparing driver to driver to driver.
Nascar seems to want to black flag someone for rough driving when their running 30th but if its for the lead which makes it more crucial, and more DANGEROUS, they dont do anything. Why not I wonder?....Well, I dont hae a clue. Seems like the logic of a 3 year old. Maybe its just because they dont want to ruin the EXCITING racing...except you cant really call spinning someone out racing. Unfortunatly I cannot remember when the last time it happened in a Nextel cup race, black flag for bumping for the lead that is, but it happened in busch a few weeks ago with clint bowyer and he just didnt get slowed up quick enough when someone checked up in front of him. Oh well, theres no winning a Nascar argument, always gonna be someone who thinks they saw something they didnt
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If your referring to me, whatever. I haven't bothered reading any other posts you've been responding to. Its useless. Your board and my "little ole oppion" don't mix. I wish it was different but its not. lol yourself g.
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If your (you're) referring to me, whatever. (not a complete sentence)I haven't bothered reading any other posts you've been responding to. Its useless. Your board and my "little ole oppion" (watch spelling) don't mix. I wish it was different but its not. lol yourself g.
Despite these mistakes, your posting is easier to read than Bobo's. Welcome back big guy!
again people...........SDR is needed in here........he spices up the board when so many people just read and leave.
now on the whole Gordon spinning Kenseth..............why people bash him for it? he could have easily passed him either way without that action....(same can't be said for the Bristol incident)
also, Sr. was called the Intimidator for a reason, that was his style off driving........to scare or distract you into a mistake not necc. spin someone. It happened yes, but more times than not, he didnt have to touch you to move you. (same cant be said for anyone else except maybe Newman or R. Gordon I think)
Back to the original question by JJR.....Sonoma 1991. Ricky Rudd spun Davey Allison on the last lap and was black flagged as he came to the checkers for the win. Rudd was penalized 5 seconds, which gave the win to Allison. Rudd finished second.
